Few filmmakers have shaped popular cinema as profoundly as Steven Spielberg. So when Sean Fennessey, co-host of The Big Picture from Spotify's The Ringer, sat down with the director at SXSW earlier this month, it made for a conversation movie fans won't want to miss.
Now streaming on Spotify, the interview spans from his filmmaking process to his career and the communal experience of going to the theater. But what does it take to prepare for a conversation with a figure like Spielberg? For the Record caught up with Sean to hear about his research process, his interviewing philosophy, and what helps a conversation feel both thoughtful and natural.
After having a little time to reflect, what has stayed with you most since your sit-down with Spielberg? Well, aside from his confession that he believes we are not alone on this planet, I was struck by Spielberg's balance between certitude and vulnerability. More than six decades into his legendary career, he's as comfortable talking about being completely out of his depth while making Jaws as he is holding court on the communal nature of moviegoing.
It's rare that such a godfather figure-someone who really knows everything about his field-retains that sensitivity, playfulness, and lack of cynicism. It was inspiring to find that he's still the same guy who was excitedly putting his dreams on the big screen in the '70s.
You've interviewed many filmmakers over the years. Do you prepare differently depending on who you're speaking to, or is there a core approach you always come back to? I always rewatch the work. Always. For directors whose films I already know well, I go hunting for themes and look for ways those ideas connect to their personal history. I'm an inveterate researcher, and I like to start with interview compendiums and contemporaneous magazine profiles. For this sit-down, I read a great collection of Spielberg interviews from The University of Mississippi Press. Spielberg is arguably the most famous film director in world history, so there's no shortage of material, but he doesn't often do State-of-the-Union-style conversations. That meant there was still a lot of ground we could cover together.
For other filmmakers, I look to biographies, criticism that connects their filmographies, and especially, director commentaries on physical media, where you can find subjects in a surprisingly revealing state talking about how and why they made certain creative and practical decisions.
Photo by Erika Goldring/Getty Images for Universal Pictures and Amblin Entertainment
Photo by Erika Goldring/Getty Images for Universal Pictures and Amblin Entertainment
Photo by Erika Goldring/Getty Images for Universal Pictures and Amblin Entertainment
Photo by Erika Goldring/Getty Images for Universal Pictures and Amblin Entertainment
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When speaking with someone of that stature, how do you balance being a fan of the work with being a critic and interviewer? I try not to overthink that. I'm making the show as a fan of movies, but I'm trained as a critic and worked as a journalist for many years. The show is built around enthusiasm for the craft, and I try to bring that energy and perspective to every conversation.
But I also take the responsibility of speaking to Steven Spielberg in a public setting seriously. What matters most is having a good talk-one that keeps the guest engaged and makes it clear that I know their work and want to have a substantive conversation about it.
I've watched a junket-fueled, game-show-style environment grow around movies over the past 10 years as traditional media has shrunk. I love playing games and doing goofy things on the podcast, but I try to keep that separate from guest interviews. Ideally, those discussions become part of the record of an artist's work and how they were feeling at the time.
Your conversations on The Big Picture feel very natural, even at this level. What are you paying attention to in the moment to keep things both thoughtful and conversational? I write dozens of questions and make a lot of notes ahead of time, but I try not to spend too much time looking at them during a discussion. I'm not good at many things, but I have figured out how to make talking about what I love a career, so I just default to that. I've been watching Spielberg's movies since I saw E.T. at six years old. I'm naturally and ecstatically interested in what he has to say about movies, his view of the world, what he had for breakfast.
In the moment, the most important thing is listening and being willing to throw out your plan when you get a surprising answer that demands a follow-up. If you're not listening, why ask the question?
These conversations reach a highly engaged audience. Do you think about the listener while you're in the interview, or are you fully focused on the person across from you? I'm very focused on the guest, but I go in with a plan. I try to set the table with clear questions for the listener at home, and most guests in a promotional environment understand they're serving the movie they're there to talk about.
But when a conversation turns technical or philosophical, I've found it's best to frame it around my own ignorance and hope the guest can shed light. We recently had the Academy Award-winning cinematographer Autumn Durald Arkapaw on the show to discuss her work on Sinners, which is not only beautiful, but also highly technical-lenses, light, historical documents, color, etc. During that conversation, I acted slightly more ignorant about my knowledge of cinematography, because it's less useful to rely on shorthand the audience may not know. It's better to explain things clearly and specifically. That's how the guest, the listener, and I all stay locked in.
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Few filmmakers have shaped popular cinema as profoundly as Steven Spielberg. So when Sean Fennessey, co-host of The Big Picture from Spotify's The Ringer, sat down with the director at SXSW earlier this month, it made for a conversation movie fans won't want to miss.
